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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: What's the deal with SID's and STAR's?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/ef6fb5c974c454e9?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 27 2011 11:40 pm
From: "John Ward"

Nap of the earth?

"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Copter_Six <c6@texas.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm no expert .... I flew mainly NOE.
>
>
> Ok... I'll bite... What's NOE?
>
>
>
> --
> Dallas

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:53 am
From: Copter_Six

On 11/28/2011 1:40 AM, John Ward wrote:
> Nap of the earth?
>
> JW
>
> "Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:985152269344154748.290333Cybnorm-spam_me_not.hotmail.com@news.east.earthlink.net...
>
>> Copter_Six <c6@texas.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm no expert .... I flew mainly NOE.
>>
>>
>> Ok... I'll bite... What's NOE?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dallas
>

ding ding ding .... John gets the prize..........

Tree top level or below.

Copter Six
*Psychopath: A Journey Through the Madness*
=================================================
>Hopefully, you haven't ignited another flame war.

Que sera, sera...

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== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 7:51 am
From: "Dallas"

Copter_Six wrote:

> ding ding ding .... John gets the prize..........
>
> Tree top level or below.

Yah, I bet he Googled it...

:-p

--
Dallas

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:41 am
From: "John Ward"

Hi Varmit,

Nope.

I first heard the term when I used to work at Flying Fighters out at
Archerfield. I used to take every opportunity to talk to any pilots, just on
the off chance i might learn a few things.

I've also heard the term in connection with my work as part of the mob
setting up Brisbane's first Aviation Museum, in Hangar 7 out at Eagle Farm.
Hangar 7 is Heritage Listed since it was the one the Allies used as a base
for comparative testing against captured/rebuilt Japanese aircraft during
WWII, while MacArthur was Headquartered here in Brisbane. Amongst other
things, we've secured an F-111 for the Museum.

There's no US Consulate in Brisbane, so four times a year they come up
from Sydney and use the MacArthur Museum premises to do their stuff.

The Australia America Association also use our premises at the MacArthur
Museum regularly.

http://www.americanaustralian.org/

Probably due to the above two connections, whenever a US Navy vessel
comes to Brisbane, all the MacArthur Museum staff get invited out for a
tour - so far, I've been on three carriers and one submarine, plus some
smaller vessels.

I'm Vice President in at the Douglas MacArthur Museum, and I always take
any opportunity to talk to any pilots, just on the off chance I might learn
a few things.

We have our monthly meetings of the Aviation Historical Society of
Australia out at the Royal Aero Club at Archerfield, and one of the regulars
used to fly combat missions in P-51s during the Korean war. I got lucky a
couple of years ago when he invited me over to his home and spent the best
part of a day showing me all his personal memorabilia, and talking about his
whole career. I took every opportunity to ask a few questions, just on the
off chance I might learn a few things.

I've also seen the term in some of the Warbird magazines I've subscribed
to for a few years now.

:-))

Regards,
John Ward

"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
news:ebCdnYPW67CYM07TnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Copter_Six wrote:
>
>> ding ding ding .... John gets the prize..........
>>
>> Tree top level or below.
>
> Yah, I bet he Googled it...
>
> :-p
>
> --
> Dallas

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:05 pm
From: "Danny"

That is good thinking, John Ward. It lets me know...I need to talk to more
people, in the off chance they could learn something! :-)

Danny

"John Ward" wrote in message news:4ed3e3de$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Hi Varmit,

Nope.

I first heard the term when I used to work at Flying Fighters out at
Archerfield. I used to take every opportunity to talk to any pilots, just on
the off chance i might learn a few things.

There's no US Consulate in Brisbane, so four times a year they come up
from Sydney and use the MacArthur Museum premises to do their stuff.

The Australia America Association also use our premises at the MacArthur
Museum regularly.

http://www.americanaustralian.org/

I'm Vice President in at the Douglas MacArthur Museum, and I always take
any opportunity to talk to any pilots, just on the off chance I might learn
a few things.

I've also seen the term in some of the Warbird magazines I've subscribed
to for a few years now.

:-))

Regards,
John Ward

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:14 pm
From: "Dallas"

John Ward wrote:

> I'm Vice President in at the Douglas MacArthur Museum,

Whoa... cool... I didn't realize you'd been promoted to executive.

--
Dallas

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TOPIC: OMGWTF!!! X-Plane 10 demo is out!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/19a7aa441597aadd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 12:53 am
From: Copter_Six

On 11/26/2011 12:07 PM, BillW50 wrote:
> On 11/26/2011 11:20 AM, Gregory wrote:
>> I tried to run X-Plane 9 demo in May 2011 on the new Dell portable PC
>> (Win7/32, Intel Core2 Duo E7400, 4096 RAM, DX11) however it has
>> a crappy Intel 4 Series integrated video chip w/1.4GB video memory.
>> The demo was an awful slide show, mostly through fog and haze.
>> Only ran it once or twice for just a couple minutes.
>
> I am actually surprised by Intel's integrated graphics. No, not how
> great it is (because it isn't). But rather it does better than I would
> have expected. As some things it can handle quite well. For example
> MSFS2k2 does pretty well. FS2004 is okay if you turn the graphics down.
> But FSX I never got usable with integrated graphics. And X-Plane 9
> seemed to be just as bad as FSX was with IG.
>
> Now having said all of this. I also have five Alienware machines and
> four of them has dual GPUs. And here X-Plane 9 and FSX runs great. And
> during the winter months, these machines also double as space heaters
> too. ;-)
>

BillW ....... It's good to see you posting again. Why the long absence?

Copter Six
*Psychopath: A Journey Through the Madness*
=================================================
>Hopefully, you haven't ignited another flame war.

Que sera, sera...

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TOPIC: Aerosoft's flightsim contender
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/cc674c40fd3c1827?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 6:26 am
From: "." <.@..com>

I wonder about it too. Nothing mentioned for a long time now. Is it dead?
Will it be a big surprise?

Also, why was MS flight! pulled for a Xmas release? Quality? Not up to
scratch?

S.....

"Gonebush" <gonebush3@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a518a45-2ef8-4faf-8e52-0f43c922db92@j1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> Hi there, brothers in alms
>
> It's been some time since I last heard of Aerosoft's proposals to
> develop a new flightsim platform.
>
> Perhaps that's because I'm not the most energetic of interenet
> researchers.
>
> It sounded promising though. Remember that Mathijs Kok was asking what
> we wanted?
>
> Anyone hear what's become of the project?
>
> GB
> CHCH
> NZ

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TOPIC: c130J
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/982ba6610fbe7086?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 7:08 am
From: Mad Mike

On Nov 27, 5:39 pm, EddieLo <hawaii...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Grab a barf bag, crank the sound and hold on!
>
> Full screen too.
>
> http://vimeo.com/32377125

Looks like standard aeilerons are the way to go!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 7:10 am
From: Mad Mike

On Nov 27, 5:39 pm, EddieLo <hawaii...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Grab a barf bag, crank the sound and hold on!
>
> Full screen too.
>
> http://vimeo.com/32377125

I'm impressed with the iPhone 4 video quality!
MM

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TOPIC: More RC flying
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/25d8f60e28a5d308?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 7:56 am
From: "Dallas"

Gregory wrote:

> Flying upside down and slow, doing upside-down
> loops, holding hammerheads and flying sideways, it's all really fake.

Ya mean like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tzowQtqOM_I

--
Dallas

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 12:01 pm
From: "John Ward"

Hi Varmit,

STREWTH, mate!!

Some SERIOUS skill there, both in the flying AND the building - did you
notice the line up of aircraft in the background at the beginning of the
video......

Regards,
John Ward

"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
news:ebCdnYLW67C9Mk7TnZ2dnUVZ_oIAAAAA@earthlink.com...
> Gregory wrote:
>
>> Flying upside down and slow, doing upside-down
>> loops, holding hammerheads and flying sideways, it's all really fake.
>
> Ya mean like this?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tzowQtqOM_I
>
> --
> Dallas

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:10 pm
From: "Dallas"

John Ward wrote:

> Hi Varmit,
>
> STREWTH, mate!!
>
> Some SERIOUS skill there, both in the flying AND the building - did
> you notice the line up of aircraft in the background at the beginning
> of the video......

Quite amazing, especially considering he has to fly it while it's
coming at him, going away from him and climbing up, down and spinning
in all directions. His brain must be on a gimbal.

I also wondered how he could roll the aircraft with almost no forward
speed, then I got a close up shot... his ailerons span the whole wing
right to the root and the prop wash provides the airflow to spin him.

--
Dallas

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TOPIC: Possible bargains to be had ?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/5b93e261a31efdb8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:11 am
From: Pete

Dunno if there is anything here for anyone. I just came across the
link.

http://www.fspilotshop.com/specials.php

Regards Pete

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:16 pm
From: "Dallas"

I'm looking for a $16.00 CH Products Eclipse Yoke.

--
Dallas

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:50 pm
From: Tom Duhamel

On 2011-11-28 16:16, Dallas wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a $16.00 CH Products Eclipse Yoke.
>
>

LOL

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TOPIC: X-Plane 10
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/c26b2f65670a5efb?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:44 am
From: "Danny"

I got the demo of X-Plane 10 installed or will they call it X-PLANE-X (hope
not)

I am really impressed with what I see. It does NOT have Orbx quality scenery
by any means, but very pleasing to the eye.

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Baron_58_747.jpg

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Baron_58_2.jpg

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Cessna_172SP_2.png

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/CL415_1.jpg

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Cessna_172SP_1.jpg

I am still working to get some keystrokes to match those I frequently use in
FS10. I do NOT like the way the helicopter flies in XPlane. I doubt the
FS10 or XP10 helicopters are anything like real. But I certainly prefer
FS10 helos. I don't seem to have any ATC? I pressed the assigned key and a
window pops up for Flight Plan! Maybe I have turned it off. Need to check
the settings.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 2:28 pm
From: raamman

On Nov 28, 12:44 pm, "Danny" <drmc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I got the demo of X-Plane 10 installed or will they call it X-PLANE-X (hope
> not)
>
> I am really impressed with what I see. It does NOT have Orbx quality scenery
> by any means, but very pleasing to the eye.
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Baron_58_747.jpg
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Baron_58_2.jpg
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Cessna_172SP_2.png
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/CL415_1.jpg
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Cessna_172SP_1.jpg
>
> I am still working to get some keystrokes to match those I frequently use in
> FS10. I do NOT like the way the helicopter flies in XPlane. I doubt the
> FS10 or XP10 helicopters are anything like real. But I certainly prefer
> FS10 helos. I don't seem to have any ATC? I pressed the assigned key and a
> window pops up for Flight Plan! Maybe I have turned it off. Need to check
> the settings.

x plane x ha ha ha

eventually we'll have xplane xxx
or xxxplane ?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 2:32 pm
From: raamman

looks like they fixed/brightened the colour scheme some but I dont
like the lawn roads at all thanx for the pics

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 2:50 pm
From: "Danny"

Welllllll. Don't give them too much credit for the brighter colors. I use
Irfanview (free at irfanview.com) for my photos and have for 10 years or
more. I can easily enhance the color saturation and sharpness of the screen
cap, and I usually do so when posting. The colors of the screen caps always
look a little 'less bright' than what I see in the sim, so I just do a bit
of enhancements.

"raamman" wrote in message
news:82041b0b-2faa-40f2-aafe-bb4fcd165ae4@k26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 28, 12:44 pm, "Danny" <drmc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I got the demo of X-Plane 10 installed or will they call it X-PLANE-X
> (hope
> not)
>
> I am really impressed with what I see. It does NOT have Orbx quality
> scenery
> by any means, but very pleasing to the eye.
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Baron_58_747.jpg
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Baron_58_2.jpg
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Cessna_172SP_2.png
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/CL415_1.jpg
>
> http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad69/dannymckee/Cessna_172SP_1.jpg
>
> I am still working to get some keystrokes to match those I frequently use
> in
> FS10. I do NOT like the way the helicopter flies in XPlane. I doubt the
> FS10 or XP10 helicopters are anything like real. But I certainly prefer
> FS10 helos. I don't seem to have any ATC? I pressed the assigned key and
> a
> window pops up for Flight Plan! Maybe I have turned it off. Need to
> check
> the settings.

looks like they fixed/brightened the colour scheme some but I dont
like the lawn roads at all thanx for the pics

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TOPIC: Which one?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/9bde62a6d97d6eff?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:52 am
From: "Loek"

"raamman" schreef in bericht
news:4c3dff58-5955-4788-8031-15f4e75d133f@g21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 27, 5:08 pm, NM5K <n...@invalid.net> wrote:
> On 11/27/2011 3:54 PM, Osbert Whittlebot wrote:
>
> > The best you can afford (ideally Gold - which includes the SDK). Don't
> > forget to patch it up to SP2 (both SP's free from MS site).
>
> > Enjoy
>
> > Osbert (etc, etc)
>
> You don't need to do that if you install Acceleration.
> Acceleration includes FSX SP2.
> So if you buy the Gold version, it already has the latest
> service packs assuming you install all three DVD's.
>
>no one wants to suggest x10?

Thanks for the advises guys. But I had the same question. How about DX-10?

Loek

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:29 pm
From: "Loek"

"Loek" schreef in bericht
news:4ed3e672$0$7010$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...

"raamman" schreef in bericht
news:4c3dff58-5955-4788-8031-15f4e75d133f@g21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

Loek

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:46 pm
From: Tom Duhamel

On 2011-11-28 16:29, Loek wrote:
>> Thanks for the advises guys. But I had the same question. How about DX-10?
>> >
>> >Loek
>> >
> Eeehr, Windows 7 already has DirectX 11.......
>
> Loek
>
>

Nice, you answered the question by yourself!

But you know, there are no stupid question, just stupid... heee... never
mind :)

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TOPIC: Very nice Avro Lancaster Bomber from First Class simulations
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/d141c6d53af9ce0c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:24 pm
From: "Dallas"

Yer supposed to land on the dashed line, not the solid one.

[snicker]

You should be expecting the FAA to be calling you soon after receiving
several dozen noise abatement complaints from the towns residents.

[snicker]

Seriously, some of your videos actually make me wish I had FSX
installed.

--
Dallas

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 2:42 pm
From: "Danny"

Well you obviously did not read the reports of the earthquakes in the region
just as I was touching down.

THE GROUND MOVED.

"Dallas" wrote in message
news:fO6dnZD6iJO-YU7TnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

Yer supposed to land on the dashed line, not the solid one.

[snicker]

You should be expecting the FAA to be calling you soon after receiving
several dozen noise abatement complaints from the towns residents.

[snicker]

Seriously, some of your videos actually make me wish I had FSX
installed.

--
Dallas

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TOPIC: Semi-OT: North VA chapter RC video
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim/t/3fcfcf7923db22c2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:32 pm
From: "Dallas"

Gregory wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5J-KRv5-3s

I thought the terrain landclass looked kinda fakey.

--
Dallas

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rec.games.bridge - 25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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rec.games.bridge
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Do you pre-empt in 2nd seat?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.bridge/t/adade20a74f4979d?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 27 2011 9:04 pm
From: Player

On Nov 25, 8:33 pm, "dak...@aol.com" <dak...@aol.com> wrote:
> 2-seat I'm really afraid LHO has a monster:
> 18+ and opponents will find game. NOT.!
> Let partner have his description.

I don't understand this post at all. Can anyone translate for me
please?
Ron

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 12:27 am
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)

In article <b9ffaa5a-0e41-411b-a3a3-5d6483553312@s17g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
Player <ronlel@msn.com> wrote:
>On Nov 25, 8:33 pm, "dak...@aol.com" <dak...@aol.com> wrote:
>> 2-seat I'm really afraid LHO has a monster:
>> 18+ and opponents will find game. NOT.!
>> Let partner have his description.
>
>I don't understand this post at all. Can anyone translate for me
>please?

Translation:

"Since I'm in second seat, opponents will probably only have game
if my LHO has an 18+ monster hand. I'm not afraid of that. So,
I'll pass so that my partner can describe his hand -- instead of
me misdescribing mine."

--
David Goldfarb |"I see more than you, child. I see an end to hell.
goldfarbdj@gmail.com | What do you see?"
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu | "I see a man in a lot of pain."
|"Pain? Yes. Consider it a preview." -- _Zot!_ #18

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 8:43 am
From: KWSchneider

On Nov 25, 7:50 am, Sunrise <sunrise9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMP
> NV vs NV
>
> You hold
>
> 9xxx
> x
> AK76xxx (7)
> x
>
> RHO passes
> What do you bid in your system?
> Do you consider the 4S a deterrent for preempting?
> What are your requirements in 2nd seat?
>
> Thank you for your ideas

Too much defense - 3 controls is a pre-empt buster. Make the DA the
DQ, then I pre-empt. Here I stay quiet for one round.

Kurt

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 10:37 am
From: Will in New Haven

On Nov 25, 7:50 am, Sunrise <sunrise9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMP
> NV vs NV
>
> You hold
>
> 9xxx
> x
> AK76xxx (7)
> x
>
> RHO passes
> What do you bid in your system?

I pass

> Do you consider the 4S a deterrent for preempting?

Yes, but it isn't decisive by itself.

> What are your requirements in 2nd seat?

No flaws. The four-card Spade holding is a flaw. AK7 is not an ideal
holding at the top of a preemptive suit. KQJ or KQT is much better and
even KQX is as good. The hand has too many controls. I would open this
3D only in third seat. Pass in any other. Playing less disciplined
preempts, I would also open this in first seat but not in second and I
sometimes do play them less disciplined.

--
Will in New Haven

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TOPIC: A form of 3C Puppet Stayman over 1NT opening bids
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.bridge/t/ac5a2a526e12952f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 1:43 am
From: rhm

On Nov 27, 2:33 pm, "Bud Hinckley" <budh9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The form of 3C Puppet Stayman used over 1NT opening bids described by Justin
> Lall (and congrats to him for winning the Nail Life Master Pairs in Seattle
> yesterday) at
>
> http://justinlall.com/2011/09/07/puppet-stayman-after-a-1n-opener/
>
> which he credits learning from Joe Grue does a great job of hiding
> information from the defenders by not giving away needless information about
> the 1NT opener's hand when responder has a game forcing hand with minimal
> slam interest.
>
> The major features of this form of 3C Puppet Stayman over 1NT are:
>
> 1. Opener can only bid 3D (denying a 5-card major) or 3 of a major showing
> a 5-card suit. 3NT is NOT an allowed response.
>
> 2. Responder uses 3C Puppet Stayman with ONE 4-card major. Responder uses
> regular 2C Stayman with TWO 4-card majors.
>
> One question asked about this method is how you find your 8-card fits when
> responder is 3-5 (3 spades, 5 hearts) or 5-3 (5 spades, 3 hearts).
>
> I have invented a solution to this problem thanks to the use of this form of
> 3C Puppet Stayman that Justin has described. An additional benefit is that
> the 1NT opening bidder will be declarer in all cases.
>
> The two auctions 1NT-2C-2H-3NT and 1NT-2C-2S-3NT cannot theoretically occur
> because responder would have bid 3C Puppet Stayman with a single 4-card
> major. We can use these two auctions artificially to show 3-card support
> for opener's major with 5 cards in the other major.
>
> But what if opener bids 2D denying a major? Then you fake a Smolen bid,
> jumping to 3 of your 3-card major, and in the process showing five cards in
> the other major, which is the only suit at that point in which you can have
> an 8-card fit.
>
> In summary,
>
> 1. With 3-5 in the majors, use regular 2C Stayman and here are your three
> auctions:
>
> (a) 1NT-2C-2D-3S (shows five hearts via fake Smolen)
> (b) 1NT-2C-2H-4H
> (c) 1NT-2C-2S-3NT (choice of games with 3-5 majors)
>
> 2. With 5-3 in the majors, you use regular 2C Stayman and here are your
> three auctions:
>
> (a) 1NT-2C-2D-3H (shows five spades via fake Smolen)
> (b) 1NT-2C-2H-3NT (choice of games with 5-3 majors)
> (c) 1NT-2C-2S-4S
>
> Here is a table of the responses I have constructed for several major suit
> distributions held by responder when he holds a game forcing hand without
> slam interest after partner opens 1NT:
>
> One or two 3-card majors
>
> 3C, then raise opener's 5-card major to game or over 3D bid 3NT
>
> One 4-card major (possibly with a 3-card major)
>
> 3C, then over 3D bid the 4-card major you do NOT hold
>
> 3-5 or 5-3 majors
>
> 2C - 2D - 3 of your 3-card major (faking Smolen to show your 5-card
> major)
> 2C - 2 of your 3-card major - 3NT (artificial) showing the 3-5 or 5-3
> majors
> 2C - 2 of your 5-card major - 4 of the major
>
> 4-4 majors
>
> 2C, then raise opener's major to game or bid 3NT
>
> 4-5 or 5-4 majors
>
> 2C, then Smolen over 2D or raise opener's major to game
>
> 4-6 or 6-4 majors
>
> 2C Stayman, then raise opener's major to game or over 2D use delayed
> Texas; or use Texas directly and give up on the possible fit in the other
> major
>
> 5-5 majors
>
> Transfer to 2S and bid 3H; OR
> Use 3D, 3H, or 3S to show a 5-5 majors game force
>
> You can also show hands with some slam interest that are 5332 type shape
> with a long minor and also 4432 type shapes with one 4-card major and one
> 4-card minor by first starting with 3C Puppet Stayman. You can learn more
> about those at the end of Justin's description of the convention.
>
> Bud Hinckley
> budh9...@gmail.com

There is at least one drawback not mentioned by you nor Justin Lall
about this approach.
Responder is supposed to bid the major he does not have over the
likely 3D response to rightsize a possible 4-4 major suit contract.
This gives the partner of the opening leader a cheap option to double
for the lead, when responder bids the major he does not have. Less
likely but certainly possible, it might even pave the way for a cheap
sacrifice in spades; say at favorable vulnerability. .
It can also help the opening leader by the negative inference when
this bid is not doubled.
3NT contracts are quite frequently made when opening leader does not
find the best lead.
This usually happens when the defense should establish the suit held
by the partner of the opening leader.
So this approach gains by hiding declarer's distribution, in
particular when he has the major responder does not have, and looses
by helping the defender on lead.

Since I never played this version, i can not tell whether there is any
net gain at all. .

I think as declarer I prefer the standard auction of

1NT--2C
2D--3NT

1NT--3C
3D-- 3M (the major responder does not have)
3NT

True, in the first auction the defense knows declarer has no major but
has little clue what to lead.
In the second case it knows the major which will come down in dummy,
which they might well lead on the first auction, since the defense has
6 to 7 cards there.
Overall I am not convinced.

Rainer Herrmann

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 10:00 am
From: KWSchneider

On Nov 27, 8:33 am, "Bud Hinckley" <budh9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The form of 3C Puppet Stayman used over 1NT opening bids described by Justin
> Lall (and congrats to him for winning the Nail Life Master Pairs in Seattle
> yesterday) at
>
> http://justinlall.com/2011/09/07/puppet-stayman-after-a-1n-opener/
>
> which he credits learning from Joe Grue does a great job of hiding
> information from the defenders by not giving away needless information about
> the 1NT opener's hand when responder has a game forcing hand with minimal
> slam interest.
>
> The major features of this form of 3C Puppet Stayman over 1NT are:
>
> 1. Opener can only bid 3D (denying a 5-card major) or 3 of a major showing
> a 5-card suit. 3NT is NOT an allowed response.
>
> 2. Responder uses 3C Puppet Stayman with ONE 4-card major. Responder uses
> regular 2C Stayman with TWO 4-card majors.
>
> One question asked about this method is how you find your 8-card fits when
> responder is 3-5 (3 spades, 5 hearts) or 5-3 (5 spades, 3 hearts).
>
> I have invented a solution to this problem thanks to the use of this form of
> 3C Puppet Stayman that Justin has described. An additional benefit is that
> the 1NT opening bidder will be declarer in all cases.
>
> The two auctions 1NT-2C-2H-3NT and 1NT-2C-2S-3NT cannot theoretically occur
> because responder would have bid 3C Puppet Stayman with a single 4-card
> major. We can use these two auctions artificially to show 3-card support
> for opener's major with 5 cards in the other major.
>
> But what if opener bids 2D denying a major? Then you fake a Smolen bid,
> jumping to 3 of your 3-card major, and in the process showing five cards in
> the other major, which is the only suit at that point in which you can have
> an 8-card fit.
>
> In summary,
>
> 1. With 3-5 in the majors, use regular 2C Stayman and here are your three
> auctions:
>
> (a) 1NT-2C-2D-3S (shows five hearts via fake Smolen)
> (b) 1NT-2C-2H-4H
> (c) 1NT-2C-2S-3NT (choice of games with 3-5 majors)
>
> 2. With 5-3 in the majors, you use regular 2C Stayman and here are your
> three auctions:
>
> (a) 1NT-2C-2D-3H (shows five spades via fake Smolen)
> (b) 1NT-2C-2H-3NT (choice of games with 5-3 majors)
> (c) 1NT-2C-2S-4S
>
> Here is a table of the responses I have constructed for several major suit
> distributions held by responder when he holds a game forcing hand without
> slam interest after partner opens 1NT:
>
> One or two 3-card majors
>
> 3C, then raise opener's 5-card major to game or over 3D bid 3NT
>
> One 4-card major (possibly with a 3-card major)
>
> 3C, then over 3D bid the 4-card major you do NOT hold
>
> 3-5 or 5-3 majors
>
> 2C - 2D - 3 of your 3-card major (faking Smolen to show your 5-card
> major)
> 2C - 2 of your 3-card major - 3NT (artificial) showing the 3-5 or 5-3
> majors
> 2C - 2 of your 5-card major - 4 of the major
>
> 4-4 majors
>
> 2C, then raise opener's major to game or bid 3NT
>
> 4-5 or 5-4 majors
>
> 2C, then Smolen over 2D or raise opener's major to game
>
> 4-6 or 6-4 majors
>
> 2C Stayman, then raise opener's major to game or over 2D use delayed
> Texas; or use Texas directly and give up on the possible fit in the other
> major
>
> 5-5 majors
>
> Transfer to 2S and bid 3H; OR
> Use 3D, 3H, or 3S to show a 5-5 majors game force
>
> You can also show hands with some slam interest that are 5332 type shape
> with a long minor and also 4432 type shapes with one 4-card major and one
> 4-card minor by first starting with 3C Puppet Stayman. You can learn more
> about those at the end of Justin's description of the convention.
>
> Bud Hinckley
> budh9...@gmail.com

I've designed snd play a Stayman version that I feel is superior. It
involves 5card Stayman and 4+card transfers.

2C = 5card Stayman [invitational+, shows 3card major [unbalanced] or
5+card major, denies exactly 4cards in a major UNLESS with 5+cards in
other major]. Then:
2D = no 5c major, then 2M = to play, 3C = 4h5+s, 3D = 4s5+h [note
that both of these are forcing, and therefore responder can be
unlimited], 2N/3M are GF [2N = with unknown 5cM but likely 5M332 with
good offsuit, 3M = unbalanced or 6cards]
2M = 5cM [no interest in accepting invitation]
3M = 5cM [accept with weak doubleton]
2N = 5cM [accept with interest in notrump]
2R = either 4card major [invitational+] or 5+card major [weak]
2M = 2-3 cards in major - weak responder passes, invitational
hand bids 2N or 3m [canape], GF bids 3N
2N = 4cards with 4M333 - weak responder either retransfers or
directly bids 3M [choice since opener is defined]
3M = 4cards [likely 4432] - responder passes/bids game with weak
hand, otherwise bids 3N [4M333], 4m [cue], 4M [to play]
2S = range ask [initiates all minor suit slam investigations] or weak
minors [usual handling, denies 4+M] - opener bids 2N with minimum, 3C
with max [other extensions for slam purposes]
2N = clubs
3C = diamonds
3D = majors [invitational+]
3M = GF+ splinter with 1=3(xy) or 3=1(xy) shape - allows opener to
play in Moysian
3N = to play
4C = Gerber
4R = xfer

Benefits:

1) Opener plays all 44 major contracts without divulging any shape
2) Opener plays ALL smolen contracts without divulging any shape
3) Opener plays all 3N contracts opposite a partner who would have
used conventional stayman but hasn't divulged any shape including
presence or absence of the other 4card major]
4) Opener stil plays all weak 2M hands opposite responders with 5+M
5) Both opener and responder can show 4M333 hands and give choice of
games to partner

Kurt

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TOPIC: How to deal with interference over 1N?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.bridge/t/4f4eca598fee0d73?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 2:00 am
From: gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)

In article <gTcAq.35607$t37.9985@newsfe14.iad>,
Lorne <lorne_anderson@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Kenny McCormack" wrote in message news:jar5q3$2ln$1@news.xmission.com...
>
>I'm looking for two things in this post/thread:
>
> 1) A general outlook/system/plan (to "How do people deal with
>interference over their 1N openings)
>.................................................................
>
>Play transfers from 2N to 3S:

Incidentally, this is known (in the big bad real world) as Rubensohl, right?

Or did you change anything from that available in published sources (e.g.,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubensohl) ?

--
(This discussion group is about C, ...)

Wrong. It is only OCCASIONALLY a discussion group
about C; mostly, like most "discussion" groups, it is
off-topic Rorsharch [sic] revelations of the childhood
traumas of the participants...

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:01 am
From: KWSchneider

On Nov 26, 11:57 am, gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
wrote:
> I'm looking for two things in this post/thread:
>
> 1) A general outlook/system/plan (to "How do people deal with
> interference over their 1N openings)
> 2) Answers to a specific set of questions
>
> The specific question is: Suppose you have a typical hand with 5 hearts
> where strength is weak/intermediate/strong (where we interpret these terms
> to mean "signoff/invitation/forcing" in the context of whatever your opening
> 1N range is). Partner opens 1N, next hand bids 2S, what do you do with each
> of these hands? Note that in all cases, had there been no interference,
> you'd have started with a 2D transfer. But now what?
>
> --
>
> Some of the more common characteristics of Asperger syndrome include:
>
> * Inability to think in abstract ways (eg: puns, jokes, sarcasm, etc)
> * Difficulties in empathising with others
> * Problems with understanding another person's point of view
> * Hampered conversational ability
> * Problems with controlling feelings such as anger, depression
> and anxiety
> * Adherence to routines and schedules, and stress if expected routine
> is disrupted
> * Inability to manage appropriate social conduct
> * Delayed understanding of sexual codes of conduct
> * A narrow field of interests. For example a person with Asperger
> syndrome may focus on learning all there is to know about
> baseball statistics, politics or television shows.
> * Anger and aggression when things do not happen as they want
> * Sensitivity to criticism
> * Eccentricity
> * Behaviour varies from mildly unusual to quite aggressive
> and difficult

I play Rubensohl - 2suit bids are competitive and natural, 2N and
above are transfers [weak+ depending on 2level availability].
Transfers into opps suits are staymanic and stopper asking. Immediate
double is competitive takeout.

Kurt

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TOPIC: Are these 5-3-3-2 hands with 13 HCP equal?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.bridge/t/631e6e527660c209?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 2:02 am
From: Martin Ambuhl

A followup of my own post of 11/27/2011 at 6:37 PM:
> On 11/27/2011 7:48 AM, Bertil wrote:
>
>> But I would like to ask why you made no mentioning of other LTC
>> counts, such as the New LTC from
>> an article in BW in 2003 by Koelman. It's based on counting half
>> losers for missing honors.
>> Specifically it counts 3 for the A, 2 for the K and 1 for the Q, for a
>> total of 6 halves or 3 losers.

Note that this is exactly the same as the balancing Aces and Queens that
Klinger so despises. The effect of counting the excess of Aces over
Queens and modifying the LTC by 1/2 for each excess (of deficient) Ace
over Queens yields (for non-losers)
A 1 1/2
K 1
Q 1/2

There is no reason at all why I should mention Koelman's repacking of
old goods. And it is a bad idea to modify the LTC in this way.
Controls and Loser Count are conceptually different. Count each, or
simply note that a hand with more Aces than (non-losing) Queens is
control-rich and with more (non-losing) Queens than Aces is
control-poor, if you must conflate the two categories.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 3:51 am
From: Bertil

On Nov 27, 6:33 pm, HoneyMonster <some...@someplace.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:53:22 -0800, Bertil wrote:
> > On Nov 27, 4:47 pm, Bertil <stigfjor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 27, 10:07 am, Charles Brenner <challambren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Nov 27, 4:10 am, Bertil <stigfjor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > On Nov 26, 6:56 pm, derek <de...@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
> >> > > > On Nov 26, 6:37 pm, Bertil <stigfjor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > On Nov 26, 12:05 pm, derek <de...@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > On Nov 25, 11:20 pm, Bertil <stigfjor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > On Nov 25, 3:53 pm, Martin Ambuhl <mamb...@earthlink.net>
> >> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > On 11/25/2011 10:20 AM, Bertil wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > > Counting LTC for opening hands does not agree with
> >> > > > > > > > > Klinger's book. He makes it very clear that LTC applies
> >> > > > > > > > > only after an 8-fit or better has been found.
> >> > > > > > > > > Who has advocated applying LTC on ordinary opening
> >> > > > > > > > > hands?
>
> >> > > > > > > > Klinger makes the claim that LTC should not be used for
> >> > > > > > > > opening the bidding except for opening bids specifically
> >> > > > > > > > playing strength.
>
> >> > > > > > > > Note that CAB players (whom Klinger ignores) won quite a
> >> > > > > > > > lot of events using LTC as the primary evaluation method
> >> > > > > > > > for opening the bidding.
> >> > > > > > > > Note that Roman player (whom Klinger ignores) won quite a
> >> > > > > > > > lot of events using LTC as a primary evaluation method
> >> > > > > > > > for opening the bidding.
>
> >> > > > > > > > His ignoring the Roman players is amazing. He claims,
> >> > > > > > > > for example, on p.11 that after Courtney & Walshe's 1935
> >> > > > > > > > book "It was given scant attention then ... and cam to
> >> > > > > > > > light again in 1961 through the endeavors of Maurice
> >> > > > > > > > Harrison-Gray...". Apparently Klinger is unaware of
> >> > > > > > > > Belladonna & Avarelli's successes in the period between
> >> > > > > > > > 1935 and 1961.
> >> > > > > > > > He claims (p.69) that "The concept of 'cover cards' was
> >> > > > > > > > devised by George Rosenkranz...". George Rosenkranz
> >> > > > > > > > knows better, and has frequently in writing acknowledged
> >> > > > > > > > that the Roman players provided the concept. They were
> >> > > > > > > > using 'cover cards' at least by the early 1950s.
> >> > > > > > > > Apparently Klinger hasn't even bothered to read
> >> > > > > > > > Rosenkranz.
>
> >> > > > > > > > If you want a real laugh, check section (5) of the
> >> > > > > > > > appendix. This has a riotous confusion of categories.
> >> > > > > > > > According to Klinger,
> >> > > > > > > > a) S:Axxxxx H:Kxxx D:xx C:x (7 HCP)
> >> > > > > > > > is a better 7 loser hand than b) S:AJxxxx H:KJxx D:QJ C:Q
> >> > > > > > > > (14 HCP)
> >> > > > > > > > This his arithmetic.
> >> > > > > > > > (1) (2) (3) (2)-(3) LTC
> >> > > > > > > > Controls Control HCP correction
> >> > > > > > > > net
> >> > > > > > > > points
> >> > > > > > > > Hand a 3 10 7 +3 -1/2 loser 6 1/2
> >> > > > > > > > LTC Hand b 3 10 14 -4 +1/2 loser 7
> >> > > > > > > > 1/2 LTC
>
> >> > > > > > > > Take Klinger and his _The Modern Losing Trick Count_ with
> >> > > > > > > > a grain of salt.
>
> >> > > > > > > This is one of the most interesting posts I'v seen in a
> >> > > > > > > long time.
> >> > > > > > > But it's also confusing. It seems to say that any hand
> >> > > > > > > with 7 or fewer LTC can be opened at the one level.
> >> > > > > > > Surely a 7-6-0-0 type hand with no HCP would not qualify.
> >> > > > > > > Nor do I think a hand like Axxxx-xx-x-Kxxxx would qualify
> >> > > > > > > even though it has only 7 LTC. So what other rules must
> >> > > > > > > one apply with 6-7 LTC?
> >> > > > > > > E.g would xx-AQxxx-Kxxx-x qualify and should one pass
> >> > > > > > > Qxx-KJxxx-KQx- QT ?
> >> > > > > > > Searching for LTC at Google did not help. All sites say LTC
> >> > > > > > > must be based on a good fit.
>
> >> > > > > > You really need to refine your search methods.
> >> > > > > > BridgeGuys.com talks about _opening_ based on LTC, and that
> >> > > > > > site pops up first in almost any search for bridge info.
>
> >> > > > > >http://www.bridgeguys.com/LGlossary/LosingTrickCount.html:
>
> >> > > > > > "A player, in deciding to open the auction, uses the Initial
> >> > > > > > Count. An opening bid is based on:
>
> >> > > > > > 1. not holding more than 7 losers.
> >> > > > > > 2. holding adequate high card values, including 2 defensive
> >> > > > > > tricks. 3. a sound rebid."
>
> >> > > > > > I like that "adequate high card values". That probably sums
> >> > > > > > up my opening hand evaluation pretty well.
>
> >> > > > > Not unexpectedly your website reference does not work.
>
> >> > > > Not surprisingly, you're an idiot. It works just fine, even
> >> > > > using it from YOUR post. And it says exactly what I quoted. Why
> >> > > > I even bother to try to help someone with such a closed mind is
> >> > > > beyond me. Bye.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > > Let me recap so everybody will understand why I respond as follows.
> >> > > I clicked on the website you posted but it was dead,
> >> > > I posed a specific problem but you were unable to make a rational
> >> > > answer.
> >> > > Instead you resorted, as you have done in the past, to a vile
> >> > > invective and signed off with Bye.
>
> >> > Do you have some kind of mental filter that helps you automatically
> >> > ignore helpful and pleasant posts such as that of Andrew B (not to
> >> > mention my own post helpfully explaining how you misunderstood Ira
> >> > Corn), while honing in on those who reply to you with rude drivel?
> >> > Yes Derek was wrong but you don't need to be helpless.
>
> >> > Charles- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> The 6th Edition of the ACBL Encyclopedia says that Ira Corn won Mixed
> >> Pairs 1963,
> >> Men's Team 1968 and Vanderbilt 1973. That in my mind shows expertise.
>
> >> Bertil- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > The other day I tried to e-mail my son but it was undelivered twice
> > because of typos.
>
> Unsurprising.
>
> > So why would I try to retype the website given, that is much more
> > complicated.
>
> Yes, pressing the backspace key once is hard work.
>
> > It's up to the poster to correct his typos.
> > I trusted the ACBL Editors with regard to Ira Corn. So why is there an
> > argument?
>
> There is no argument; merely laughter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The laughteryou seem to hear is just the graying of asses.
I asked you to list your contributons to the world of bridge and
you've come up with nothing as expected,
because you are just a blowhard selfinflated windbag, incapabable of a
constructive contribution.
You're one of the asses. And birds of a feather flock together.

Bertil

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:59 am
From: KWSchneider

On Nov 24, 2:29 pm, Bertil <stigfjor...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Stig wrote...
>These three ordinary 5=3=3=2 hands with 13 HCP each don't seem to be
>of equal value.

Let me reformat [for fixed font, which is what we all should be using]
and correct the PP results so I can accept attribution.

T9xxx KQT9x T9xxx
QJx QJx QJx
AQx KQx KQJ
Ax xx KJ

QT 2.5 2 1.5
B-R 13 11.5 11.5
4C 12 12.9 10.5
Corrected results====================
PP[spades] 13 14 11
=Tricks 5.2 5.6 4.4

To your questions:

1) They each have 13 HCP. Hand 2 can take the most tricks [spades are
trump].
2) Hands 1 and 2 are 1S openings, Hand 3 is a notrump hand, 1N
opening [playing 12-14]
3) Simple PP evaluation is enough - a computer program is
unnecessary
4) Making the long suit clubs just changes the trump suit...

Kurt

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TOPIC: lebehnsol
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.bridge/t/c7af184ed8ec94e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 5:31 am
From: Julie Guthrie

Both sides vul, IMPs. You sit West holding:

JT
A764
T82
A974

South deals and the bidding goes:

P P 2D! X
2H! ?

2D is explained as a weak major (no strong options). 2H is still pass
or correct.

You have agreed to play lebensohl over weak 2's.

What are your options and how do you rate them?

What would you have bid without the 2H bid?

For those who are interested partner held:

AK72
52
AKQ
KJT5

North had a weak 2 in hearts.

I opted for double and partner bid 4S, which could have made but
didn't.

thanks

Mark

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 5:43 am
From: "dake50@aol.com"

I play Double here as "I don't fit spades but stuff +-10"
Esp as 2S could cheaply be bid.
I expect 3NT would be our choice.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 6:11 am
From: Co Wiersma

Op 28-11-2011 14:31, Julie Guthrie schreef:
> Both sides vul, IMPs. You sit West holding:
>
> JT
> A764
> T82
> A974
>
> South deals and the bidding goes:
>
> P P 2D! X
> 2H! ?
>
> 2D is explained as a weak major (no strong options). 2H is still pass
> or correct.
>
> You have agreed to play lebensohl over weak 2's.
>
> What are your options and how do you rate them?
>
> What would you have bid without the 2H bid?
>
> For those who are interested partner held:
>
> AK72
> 52
> AKQ
> KJT5
>
> North had a weak 2 in hearts.
>
> I opted for double and partner bid 4S, which could have made but
> didn't.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark

Apparent one of you did see double as negative and the other as penalty
And I suppose that are both the options.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 6:30 am
From: Peter Ford

On Nov 28, 1:31 pm, Julie Guthrie <tubby.guth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Both sides vul, IMPs. You sit West holding:
>
> JT
> A764
> T82
> A974
>
> South deals and the bidding goes:
>
> P P 2D! X
> 2H! ?
>
> 2D is explained as a weak major (no strong options). 2H is still pass
> or correct.
>
> You have agreed to play lebensohl over weak 2's.
>
> What are your options and how do you rate them?
>
> What would you have bid without the 2H bid?
>
> For those who are interested partner held:
>
> AK72
> 52
> AKQ
> KJT5
>
> North had a weak 2 in hearts.
>
> I opted for double and partner bid 4S, which could have made but
> didn't.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark

What did partner's double show?
Peter

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 5:32 am
From: "dake50@aol.com"

Allow minor slam tries at 4-level with 4NT quits.
At least get the suggestion into this auction.
Pay the price if 9 tricks but not 10.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:03 am
From: Thomas Dehn

On 11/27/2011 03:59 PM, Co Wiersma wrote:
> Op 27-11-2011 13:48, boblipton schreef:
>> and that 1D seems to deny a major
>
> where you see that?

Opener's 2NT rebid with 4-4 in the majors.

Thomas

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 6:12 am
From: EZ

On Nov 25, 10:00 am, jonathan23 <campb...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Matchpoints, all vulnerable. You are playing pretty basic 2/1, 5-card
> majors, 15-17 1NT, 20-21 2NT, artificial forcing 2C opener and weak 2s
> in the other suits. RHO deals and passes, you hold:
>
> Kx
> AQx
> AKQxxx
> Kx
>
> What do you open? Do you make a choice from multiple contenders?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> - Jon Campbell
> Ottawa Canada

This isn't a good hand for standard methods -- unless you're in a pro-
am partnership and put it on a NT track immediately -- so I'd guess
like everyone else, probably opening 2C and planning to rebid 2N
(which still might be an underbid) over 2!D, but 3!D over any other
(natural) response.

But I'm lucky with these hands, since 90 percent of sessions I play
with serious partners use either a big Club system or Kaplan-Sheinwold
methods. In the former, simply open 1C which should allow you to get
both your long suit and trick-taking potential into the auction at a
reasonable level.

With KS, I simply open 1D (and may play there missing a game once in a
blue moon) and rebid 3D, which is forcing in KS, a hand where I would
have seriously considered opening 2C and rebidding my suit if it were
a major.

My two cents

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 12:02 pm
From: KWSchneider

2C followed by 2N...
Diamonds are only the trump suit if partner has shortness and 3+
diamonds - unlikely in this scenario.

Kurt

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 12:07 pm
From: KWSchneider

On Nov 27, 1:29 pm, "Paul Hightower" <paulhigh@dont_email.net> wrote:
> "Michael Angelo Ravera" <marav...@prodigy.net> wrote in messagenews:25452765.357.1322262691598.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prmr38...
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2011 7:00:09 AM UTC-8, jonathan23 wrote:
> > Matchpoints, all vulnerable. You are playing pretty basic 2/1, 5-card
> > majors, 15-17 1NT, 20-21 2NT, artificial forcing 2C opener and weak 2s
> > in the other suits. RHO deals and passes, you hold:
>
> > Kx
> > AQx
> > AKQxxx
> > Kx
>
> > What do you open? Do you make a choice from multiple contenders?
>
> Playing your system, It's too strong (by almost a king, I'd say) to open
> 2NT...
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I've seen good evdeince that a six-card suit at notrump is worth only a
> point or so, definetely not 3. A five card suit is worth a surprisingly
> small 0.4 points, according to a study of real-life results by the French
> Bridge Federation.
>
> Apparently, at notrump, stoppers are more critical than having a source of
> tricks, and trying to make game with inadequate high cards just leaves you
> short on stoppers most of the time. It's easy to construct obvious
> exceptions, and sometimes you can bid those such as after a weak two opening
> or a Gambling 3NT, but on balance it's best not to overbid notrump hands
> based on long suits. However, those who treat this as a balanced 21 are
> certainly underbidding IMO.
>
> Here I expect to have 8 tricks on any lead but an unlikely diamond; partner
> will raise my 2C-2x; 2NT sequence with an Ace or King, obviously, and game
> will be easy. He might pass an opening 2NT bid with only 3 or 4 points. Game
> may be a challenge opposite a random Q+J, but a lead from the Ace toward
> either of my Kings where partner has Qxx may be enough. All in all I think
> I'll make game much more often than not opposite 3 hcp, hence 2C opening. On
> the other hand I'll have little play if partner passes my 2NT rebid, so no
> reason to make a stronger rebid. One to one-and-half points for the diamond
> suit looks about right.

Logic dictates that "this" trump suit [AKQxxx] is worth much more than
a mere 6th card adjustment. The suit is expected to break 322 around
the table, hence this suit is 6 tricks [15 points - ie a 6 point
adjustment]. 1-1.5 points is an atrocious understatement of value.

Kurt

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 7:47 am
From: KWSchneider

On Nov 25, 7:45 am, Sunrise <sunrise9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMP
> NV vs V
>
> You hold
>
> KQ10xxx
> KQ9x
> Ax
> Q
>
> RHO opens 2H weak
> What do you bid? What would be your second choice if any ?

2S - no second choice.

Kurt

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:21 am
From: Sid

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:47:09 -0800 (PST), KWSchneider
<questionofbalance@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Nov 25, 7:45 am, Sunrise <sunrise9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> IMP
>> NV vs V
>>
>> You hold
>>
>> KQ10xxx
>> KQ9x
>> Ax
>> Q
>>
>> RHO opens 2H weak
>> What do you bid? What would be your second choice if any ?
>
>2S - no second choice.

1. 3S - jump over preempt = GOOD.

2. 2S - second choice.

Sid

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:34 am
From: Adam Beneschan

On Nov 25, 4:45 am, Sunrise <sunrise9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMP
> NV vs V
>
> You hold
>
> KQ10xxx
> KQ9x
> Ax
> Q
>
> RHO opens 2H weak
> What do you bid? What would be your second choice if any ?

2S. Clear. Your heart honors aren't pulling their full weight.

-- Adam

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:59 am
From: "Lorne"

Should directors have the power to add a penalty (as well as resetting the
contract) when a player makes blatant use of UI?

Here is the hand that made me think about it, the player being an
international:

AK7543
AJ65
10
K5

Playing teams love all in 4th the bidding is:
2H 3C 3H 3S
P 4S P 4N
P 5D P 5H
P 5S P ?

5S took 30 seconds. Since you know an ace (5D=1 keycard) is missing 5H
clearly states you intend to be in slam only opposite the trump Q. The
pause suggest no Q but extra length and at the table 6S was bid but reversed
to 5S when the trumps broke 2-1.

You do have some penalty in that you keep your score when 6S fails so my
question is whether that is enough when the player is experienced and the UI
so obvious or should the director have the power to add (say) a 6 IMP
penalty or take some more drastic action?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:07 am
From: Stu Goodgold

Directors do have the power to impose a procedural penalty if a player has made a clear violation of the laws of bridge, including those that deal with proprieties.
Typically a PP is 3 IMPs or 1/4 of a board.

-Stu Goodgold
San Jose, CA

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